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David W Baldwin's avatar

Big fan of yours! I write this on 3-4 which needs to be remembered. When you writing this, the fact we'd be entering the stage of battling autonomous kamikaze drones of Iran with autonomous kamikaze drones of our (and Israel's) own would not be thought of.

It is one thing to speak of a single weapon arriving at one decision point compared to multiple weapons arriving at multiple decision points... and we're at the latter. Important yes, but we're moving at too fast a pace to include every element of bureaucracy possible as if this is a computer game.

Also, we have the set up of two islands. On one is Anthropic, the other US Military. Totally different languages/outlooks per island. CEO Amodei leans over to regular Joe "it's 2 in the afternoon", Under Secretary Michael would say, "it's 1400". Communication to the public is going to be in a tangle.

Lastly, I don't give to much toward Amodei and his army of followers (including OAI & Google) since if he thinks of himself on such a different level compared to military and public at large, then he should have known what was coming over this past week and handled it differently, damnit!

Keep up on the writing, Devansh! Hopefully a better debate can ensue, though it is obvious how this is going to twist into strategies heading toward November.

Devansh's avatar

Lmk if I missed anything or misinterpreted your points

David W Baldwin's avatar

This is a tough subject. Here I need to add some confirmation of the worries I expressed.

According to Under Secretary Michael, the tipping point came during the Maduro Raid when Anthropic (sub contractor) asked Palantir (contractor) if their (Anthropic) software was used. This freaked out Palantir enough they reported that to Michael who then went to DOW Sec Hegseth.

Following all this you had the pouncing of media like NBC, CBS (implying 60 Minutes proves Anthro good and Trump/Hegseth want to spy on Americans (hmm, wasn’t that actually what Biden/Smith did?)) and the ‘petition’ signed by folks from OAI and Google leading to my worry of the potential backside stuff affecting our military could happen.

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Adressing these point by point-- "It is one thing to speak of a single weapon arriving at one decision point compared to multiple weapons arriving at multiple decision points... and we're at the latter. Important yes, but we're moving at too fast a pace to include every element of bureaucracy possible as if this is a computer game.": One of the things the article talks about is precisely this risk. Autonomous Weapons reward split second escalation and thus the risk of management and thje cost there is much higher. Not something we want to risk given how fragile these systems are.

"Also, we have the set up of two islands. On one is Anthropic, the other US Military. Totally different languages/outlooks per island. CEO Amodei leans over to regular Joe "it's 2 in the afternoon", Under Secretary Michael would say, "it's 1400". Communication to the public is going to be in a tangle." -- true but I don;t think it's a factor here. This is a pretty well explored element of tech ethics.

"Lastly, I don't give to much toward Amodei and his army of followers (including OAI & Google) since if he thinks of himself on such a different level compared to military and public at large, then he should have known what was coming over this past week and handled it differently, damnit!"-- I'm as miuch of a Dario hater as you get, but ultimately we can't talk about shoulds.

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Honestly Devansh, as one of your long time readers, I've got to say that knowledge and expertise don't come for granted, but must be cherished and respected. I.e. your 2 smart for the gov. To f*ck w/ ;)

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Hopefully the government agrees

Mark Vickers's avatar

Thanks for thinking deeply about these issues

Peter Andrew Nolan's avatar

Hello Devansh,

"In this article, I want to take a second and talk about why we should all support Anthropic’s refusal to use their system in Weapons systems and Mass Surveillance."

So you are ok with the mass murder by proxy of men in the divorce courts.

You are ok with innocent men being unlawfully jailed as political prisoners for not volunteering to pay the voluntary amounts commonly called alimony and child support.

You are ok with men being thrown out of the houses they paid for and thrown out of their children's lives at the point of a gun.

You are ok with the divorce courts being a criminal cartel mass murdering men by proxy.

You are ok with governments stealing the proceeds of mens labour.

You are ok with governments collecting every key stroke on every device and collecting everything sent via any electronic mechanism...anywhere.

You are ok with the governments being able to listen to us via our phones even when they are "turned off".

But you are not ok that all this data is being used by the government now with AIs??

THAT is where you draw the line Devansh?

Don't you think you might be about 15 years too late?

Don't you think you might have picked a rather weak item to object to?

Devansh's avatar

Do you not know to read. I'm against mass surveillance. Which involves half the things you mentioned.

And the first set of examples has nothing to do with the newsletter?

Peter Andrew Nolan's avatar

"And the first set of examples has nothing to do with the newsletter?"

Your post is about the issue of using AI to read through mass surveillance which is a far lesser issue than the mass murder of men by proxy in the divorce couts.

Perhaps you can show me where you have spoken up and encouraged people against the mass murder by proxy of men in the divorce courts.

Do you have one?

Devansh's avatar

This newsletter is called AI Made Simple. I know and understand AI. So I can write at length about the dangers of AI surveillance and weapons systems.

I don't know about divorce courts, ergo I am not in a position to give informed opinions over there.

It's the same reason I don't talk about nutrition, sleep, excersie and many other things I believe are more important than AI-- those aren't my areas of expertise and there are better people to comment on them.

The day I start Divorce Made Simple newsletter, you'll be the first one to know.

Klement Gunndu's avatar

Building on your observation about "It takes time to create work that’s clear, independent, and genuinely useful" -- one pattern that complements this well is separating the orchestration layer from the execution layer. It makes the failure modes much more predictable.